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Сообщение Barda » 28 мар 2009 23:18

fishingfan, Ну во первых эти поводки мягкие что не всегда хорошо, и во вторых они тяжеловаты и топят приманки.
Последний раз редактировалось Barda 29 мар 2009 19:44, всего редактировалось 1 раз.
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Сообщение fishingfan » 29 мар 2009 01:41

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Сообщение Taktik » 29 мар 2009 12:01

fishingfan, в этом деле главное самому получать удовольствие от процесса.Все остальное вторично.
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Сообщение fishingfan » 29 мар 2009 13:50

Полностью согласен

Одна беда- никак в продаже не могу найти :(
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Сообщение Barda » 29 мар 2009 20:25

Igos.S, Если нужна маленькая застёжка попробуй использовать нахлыстовую застёжку может подойдёт.
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Сообщение danko » 30 мар 2009 08:47

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Сообщение fishingfan » 30 мар 2009 15:19

Danko, ну и как на Ваш взгляд? Просто хочется узнать мнение рыбаков со стажем. Можт есть аналог какой-то?

ЗЫ. А PROFI- это то, что на вагону? :)
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Сообщение BuTaJIb » 30 мар 2009 15:24

fishingfan, тебе ж Барда со стажем сказал, что поводок тяжелый. Мне он тоже его показывал - великоват.
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Сообщение danko » 30 мар 2009 15:57

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Сообщение fishingfan » 30 мар 2009 16:21

BuTaJIb, точно, как-то протупил :D А чего он тяжелый? Материал что-ли все портит или вертлюги с застежками?

danko Спасибо, будем посмотреть :)
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Сообщение Barda » 30 мар 2009 23:18

fishingfan, Я специально завтра выложу фотки Ямамотовского вертлюзка и других вертлюгов для сравнения и тогда мы предметно сможем обсудить все тонкости и ньюансы поводков данных поводков и остальных поводков тоже.
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Сообщение Barda » 30 мар 2009 23:21

Taktik, Серёга будь добр выложи сюда вотки своих поводков что-бы предметно устроить обсуждение и наглядное сравнение. Плиз.
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Сообщение Taktik » 31 мар 2009 20:10

Буду добр как бобр :D Вроде все это можно прочитать
Хотя может ты и прав,так как мы там устроили кашу.
Первое,почему я докатился до такой жизни,в смысле-почему практически полностью перешел на поводки из струны?Наверно потому,что перепробовав практически все то,что предлагала торговля в нашей маленькой но очень гордой стране,оказался как-то неудовлетворенным(не в сексуальном,естественно плане :D ).Одни поводки были хороши,но фурнитуру имели откровенно говенную.Другие-имели не тот размер.Третьи-не тот вес.И мои плавающие воблеры тонули,как утюг.Четвертые-после нескольких часов эксплуатации завивались,как волосы у известной политической деятельницы Анджелы Дэвис(помните такую?).Ну а пятые-были просто гуано.Нужно добавить еще тот факт,что при использовании рывковой проводки(твитчинг,риппинг и тд) мягкие поводки имеют тенденцию цепляться за тройники.Да,вспомнил еще один факт из жизни.Года два-три ловил на самовязанные поводки из кевлара.Щучек до двух кило поймано на кевлар было не счесть.И ни одного откуса.А затем,я узнал,что существует ЛПР ,где,в свою очередь,узнал,что щучьим зубам кевлар не помеха.
Как раз тогда я прочитал,что в России народ ловит и не нарадуется на поводки из гитарной струны №2.Причем обязательно Коломенского(или фиг помнит какого завода.Но именно этого,т.к. все остальгое фуфло :)) .В наших муз. магазах было только жалкое подобие этих хваленых струн.Какие-то никому не известные в России струны американского производства(как оказалось лидера буржуазного соцсоревнования в отрасли :D )по цене 0,80 Лс/шт.Вот с них я и начал крутить свои поводки.Постепенно пришел к выводу,что вертлюжок при ловле на воблеры не очень-то и нужен.Другое дело,если ловим на вертушку.Тут как раз наоборот.Очень хороши сдвоенные вертлюжки происводства кампании OWNER.ИМХО-это лидер в этой отрасли.
Ну а затем(ввиду того,что гитаристы начали преследовать за варварское истребление струн :) )перешел на использование спец.нержавеющей проволоки диаметром 0,28 мм.
В этом году опытным путем узнал,что окончательная обмотка 5-8 раз вокруг основной струны дает огромный результат.Если принять обычное плетение косичкой за 100%,то "завершение" дает увеличение разрывной нагрузки от 40 до 70 процентов.Конечно это не аксиома,но на раздумья толкает.
Кстати все написанное-личные измышлизмы,не претендующие ни на что.К гуру поводкостроения,как,впрочем рыболОвления,себя не отношу.Поэтому охотно выслушаю другие мнения по этому вопросу.
Во написал!Что-то пробило поговорить :)
В завершение несколько фоток.
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Легендарные поводки из американской струны.Пенал,кстати,запатентован.Хи-хи
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Двойной вертлюжок.Некоторые считают,что с вертлюжком меньше рвется шнур на узле.
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Вот такие застежки считаю одними из лучших
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Это из проволоки 0,28 мм.Разрывная нагрузка 12 кг.
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Сообщение Barda » 31 мар 2009 22:05

Ну и теперь я воткну свои измышления на данную тему с фотографиями и коментариями. Сам длительное время использовал самодельные поводки из кевлара и как-бы они меня устраивали, затем нашёл классную замену на какое-то время поводковый материал ProLider, данный материал прекрасно вязывался и по прочности было всё зашибись. Но меня начало не устраивать поведение приманок на рывковых проводках (захлёсты). Затем перешёл на тонкий металический тросик, ну а затем на проволку.

Теперь что касаемо поводков YAMAMOTO'S. На фотографиях видно разницу у карабинов и вертлюжков, я использую фурнитуру фирмы OWNER. На моём поводке карабин №1 с разрывной в 10 кг, вертлюг тогоже производителя с такой-же разрывной нагрузкой, правда в зависимости на какие приманки ловлю то ставлю поводки с разной фурнитурой, или больше разрывная или меньше интервал от 6 до 13 кг при тойже самой проволоки. Длинну поводков предпочитаю 30 см. так как были неоднократно прецеденты с откусыванием и извлечением приманки вместе с поводком из пасти щуки. Из практики 3 кг щука при атаке сзади такого воблера как грипп запросто помещает к себе в пасть воблер и 25 см поводок. Исключение составляют поводки для троллинга там и фурнитура помощнее и длинна поболее, да и проволка потолще.

Проблемы с фотоапаратом решал.
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Ну собственно вот и сам Ямамото.
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На этой фотке с карабинами такаяже история на моём поводке а он верхний карабин с разрывной в 10 кг.
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На верху Ямамото, внизу мой самодельный поводок с вертлюжком Owner c разрывной 12кг. Как говорится почувствуйте разницу.
Последний раз редактировалось Barda 31 мар 2009 22:48, всего редактировалось 1 раз.
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Сообщение Taktik » 31 мар 2009 22:37

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Сообщение Barda » 31 мар 2009 22:46

Taktik, Я для fishingfan в принципе пояснял, ошибки подправлю :) , я и не претендую на роль первой инстанции, кто-то ловит и на зелёные китайские и доволен на все 100%. Да конкуренцию тебе составлять небуду. :D by Taktik
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Сообщение Taktik » 31 мар 2009 22:58

Barda, :friends:
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Сообщение fishingfan » 01 апр 2009 23:05

Ок, спасибо за разъяснения :good: Обязательно попробую из струны сам смастерить... если какие-то вопросы возникнут- напишу :wink:

ЗЫ. Эх, по скорее бы на рыбалку :)
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