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Сообщение mihanik » 08 окт 2008 15:07

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Сообщение Bunny » 08 окт 2008 22:26

Капныш, ПОБЕДА!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Заказывай муху, только укажи условия ( глубину, прозрачность воды, плотность растительности ).
Обещал - сваяю. Только маленькое уточнение - не Salmo Trutta Photoshopus , а
Salmo Salar Photoshopus :D .
А вот правильный ответ и исходные материалы.
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Сообщение Bunny » 08 окт 2008 22:41

P.S. КонстантинК, по сути, тоже прав, хоть и не разглядел грубой фальсификации, так что, чтобы быть объективным, муху свяжу тоже :) .
А вообще, неплохая развлекуха получилась, а по сему, предлагаю идею ( задающий вопрос предлагает приз за правильный ответ ) развить и, возможно, разработать правила игры( я думаю это задача модератора :) ). А че, весело будет :D , да и мозгам зарядка никогда не мешала.
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Сообщение КонстантинК » 08 окт 2008 23:21

Al_Shan_, Книжки то мы тоже читаем, но вот видиш кумжа это , а не лосось. С хвостами очень сложно определять, у кумжи он тоже бывает разный. В прошлом году много показывали инспекторам и самым главный за спиной стоял . когда ловили, так вот он сказал что лучше всего определять не по хвосту. а по уровню глаз и уровню линии рта. А с пятнами тоже накладки бывают. Да и не в этом суть. главное скореее бы открыли. А там разберемся. тем более . что новую палочку скоро получу, именно на лосося. :Yahoo!:
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Сообщение Robert80 » 08 окт 2008 23:26

Bunny,пипец развод.... :ROFL: Несмотря на небрежнейший монтаж и подгонку сам не просек подвоха.Хотя люблю помучить фотошоп(1 из примеров: "Здесь рыбы нет...!!!" в галерее) А за любой конкурс связаный с фотографией или монтажем я только За!!!
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Сообщение Капныш » 09 окт 2008 09:10

Bunny, :D :D За признание победы - спасибо! :Yahoo!: Но ввиду того, что я все-же не узнал, что Salmo Salar (согласен с Костей, что важно голову видеть) а так-же ввиду того, что я ГЛистингист и муху бросать не умею - Предлагаю Следующее:
Оставим приз от Bunny в Призовом фонде в качестве награды для победителей - мастеров нахлыста будущих конкурсов и викторин. :wink:

П.С.
Да и считаю я, что победителем все-же надо считать Костю. :oops:
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Сообщение Al_Shan_ » 09 окт 2008 09:42

[b]КонстантинК[/b], :D :D :D Дааааа Костя

чтоб ты знал Кумжа это Salmo trutta
а лосось это Salmo Salar

так что :oops:
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Сообщение Al_Shan_ » 09 окт 2008 09:51

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Сообщение Bunny » 09 окт 2008 10:05

Al_Shan_, :good: зачот! Я в свой вопрос вкладывал больше смысл определения подвида (Photoshopus или Naturalis) :) .
А, что касается, определения вида конкретного представителя, то тут сам Черт ногу сломит. Я склоняюсь к мнению, что в наших реках уже давно ни лосося ни кумжи, в чистом виде, не осталось. А плавают одни гибриды и жертвы инцеста :D . Нерестятся то на одних местах и в одно и тоже время. Так, часто, поймаешь и не знаешь кого, т.к. присутствуют признаки и того и другого
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Сообщение Al_Shan_ » 09 окт 2008 10:13

Bunny, Согласен гибридов много, но в процентах 80-90% всеж удается определить вид без проблем. Причем по ним даже видно исскуственно разведенные или нет.

вот неплохая статейка по определению, но конечно и она не всегда работает
http://www.flyfish.spb.ru/fishing/anatskii/diff/
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Сообщение Al_Shan_ » 09 окт 2008 10:33

На мой взгляд по определению кумжа или лосось в нашиш водоемах лучше всего описано вот здесь правда по латвиски.

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Atšķirīgās pazīmes. Ir taukspura. Mute liela ar zobiem. Anālajā spurā mazāk staru nekā ketlasim, kižučam un kuprlasim. Lemeškaula plātnīte paplašināta, tā ir nedaudz izvirzīta pirms aukslēju kauliem. Uz lemeškaula kāta ir zobi. Uz ķermeņa melni x-veida plankumi. Augšžokļa gali sniedzas aiz acu aizmugurējās malas, uz lemeškaula plātnītes pamata 3-4 zobi. Mazuļiem uz žaunu vākiem 4-6 melni plankumi, uz muguras spuras un sāniem abās pusēs sānu līnijai sarkani un melni punkti, taukspuras augšdaļa sarkana

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Atšķirīgās pazīmes. Ir taukspura. Mute liela ar zobiem, uz muguras un sāniem tumši plankumi. Anālajā spurā mazāk staru nekā kuprlasim, ketlasim un kižučam. Lemeškaula plātnīte paplašināta, tā ir nedaudz izvirzīta pirms aukslēju kauliem. Uz lemeškaula kāta zobi, kuri pieaugušiem īpatņiem mēdz izkrist. Uz ķermeņa melni x-veida plankumi. Augšžokļa gali sniedzas līdz acs aizmugurējai malai, lemeškaula plātnīte bez zobiem. Mazuļiem uz žaunu vākiem parasti 2 melni plankumi, gar sānu līniju sarkani punkti tikai vienā rindā, taukspura pelēka
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Сообщение taxist » 09 окт 2008 12:27

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Сообщение taxist » 09 окт 2008 12:48

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Сообщение taxist » 09 окт 2008 12:50

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Сообщение Al_Shan_ » 09 окт 2008 13:11

taxist, я думаю что это ТУГУН :)
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Сообщение Kondrat » 09 окт 2008 13:15

Я знаю, но нескажу :D маленькая рыбка и так понятно кто, и вторая тож водится в некоторых наших водоёмах.
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Сообщение Al_Shan_ » 09 окт 2008 13:19

Kondrat, знаю но не скажу здесь не принимается, знаеш пиши а потом Игореха напишит и посмотрим насколько ты знал
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Сообщение prApor » 09 окт 2008 13:22

видимо из 3 буков рыбоид. но - не ХЕК :D
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Сообщение jusis-fedor » 09 окт 2008 13:24

тот кто побольше сиг
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Сообщение Al_Shan_ » 09 окт 2008 13:28

Похожа на нашего обычного сига но зная Игоря это было бы слишком просто.

Вот на фото наш обычный из трех не хек

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Сообщение Kondrat » 09 окт 2008 14:06

Да сиг енто, Игорёк на фотке губу ему отрезал. :D
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Сообщение taxist » 09 окт 2008 16:31

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